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" Wear it in silence or I'll honor you over again"

• Thread starter Nikkolas
• Beginning engagement May 15, 2016

• #1

"Her Grace will have no liking for anything I have to say," Ned replied. "I am told the Kingslayer has fled the city. Give me leave to bring him back to justice."

The king swirled the vino in his loving cup, brooding. He took a consume. "No," he said. "I desire no more than of this. Jaime slew three of your men, and you five of his. At present information technology ends."

"Is that your notion of justice?" Ned flared. "If so, I am pleased that I am no longer your Paw."

The queen looked to her husband. "If any homo had dared speak to a Targaryen as he has spoken to you - "

"Do y'all take me for Aerys?" Robert interrupted.

"I took you for a king. Jaime and Tyrion are your own brothers, by all the laws of matrimony and the bonds we share. The Starks have driven off the one and seized the other. This man dishonors you with every breath he takes, and yet y'all stand up there meekly, asking if his leg pains him and would he similar some wine."

Robert's face up was dark with anger. "How many times must I tell y'all to hold your tongue, woman?"

Cersei's face was a study in contempt. "What a jape the gods have made of us 2," she said. "Past all rights, you ought to be in skirts and me in postal service."

Purple with rage, the male monarch lashed out, a vicious backhand accident to the side of the head. She stumbled against the table and savage hard, yet Cersei Lannister did non cry out. Her slender fingers brushed her cheek, where the pale shine pare was already reddening. On the morrow the bruise would comprehend one-half her face. "I shall wear this as a badge of award," she announced.

"Wear it in silence, or I'll laurels you lot again," Robert vowed.

At present, I detest the character of Cersei Lannister. Every bit in, I think she is a terrible, repugnant person. As such, I was more than happy when Robert hitting her. However, when expressing this view, I was told it was wrong. Considering information technology was wifebeating. And before I get more shit for "are you making a topic to mutter near what others said to you?", I know I am not the only one who has encountered this bullshit .

Cersei Lannister is a criminal, a child murderer, a perpetual liar and narcissist. By all that is good and just, she should be Dead. A slap across the face hardly seems like a suitable penalization, permit lonely something that goes "too far."

And we all know why she is dedicated by some. Considering she'southward a woman. If Jaime was in that location and said some disparaging remark to Robert and Robert hit him, no 1 would care. It'due south because Cersei is a chick, even if she is the most evil and vile chick in all of Planetos, that hit her is just wrong and unacceptable.

Or maybe not. Maybe the "don't say that" crowd minority. That's the large reason I'm making this topic. There will be a poll and I am very interested to see the results.

• #ii

I pity early Cersei with Robert considering she wanted to love him, but past this point she wanted him dead.

• #3

She deserved it. Hitting your wife is no more or less evil than hit everyone. If in that location are circumstances when hitting somebody is morally justified, and the person is your married woman, and so it is nonetheless morally justified.

• #4

It's Cersei Lannister, yous could kill her from a 1000 miles abroad with a night magic shadow babe and I'd telephone call information technology self defense force.

• #5

At this bespeak I tin't even bring myself to hate Cersei Lannister, I just find her a pathetic, broken, bitter harpy who doesn't come across how she's becoming the human she one time hated

But then, for what she said, no, she didn't deserve Roberts 'honour' for that alone

• #6

Cersei is a terrible person, but in this instance she was admittedly right. Robert would look great in a fancy dress.

Concluding edited: May xviii, 2016

• #7

It seems to me that in that location are actually 2 questions at work here.

i: Does Cersei Lannister deserve to be hit?
ii: Does that make Robert hit Cersei in this incident justified?

I would take to say yes to the kickoff question. Cersei Lannister is a genuinely bad person, and she certainly deserves it if she causes bad things happen to her. That said, I think the 2d question is harder to reply, but I would say no. Robert striking Cersei here makes him a bad person, (or, at the very least, a flawed person,) because he responded to insults by striking his wife in the face. He certainly had a right to exist angry, only in that location are very few words that merit physical violence in response. Insults don't justify beatings. Cersei may deserve to have bad things happen to her in general, but in this case, information technology is incorrect of Robert to do so.

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• #8

Cersei may deserve to have bad things happen to her in full general, simply Robert'due south justification in this instance is not sufficient to justify him hitting her in the confront.

She was actively telling him to impale Ned, his all-time friend, when he's trying to mediate the situation. He tells her to be tranquility, and to stop inflaming the situation and telling him to impale Ned, and then she refused and starts insulting him.

If someone came up to me and started telling me to impale my friend and then began insulting me, I'd certainly slap the shit out of whoever information technology was, and I'm not in an impressively unhappy political marriage.

• #ix

Having neither read nor seen Game of Thorns, nor having any desire whatsoever to do so, I say this:

I can't speak for what else this woman has washed. And I'chiliad not certain that someone can warrant (I won't say deserve, I don't believe a penalty is ever deserved) a punishment that is non enacted in order to punish for actual crimes.

That said, information technology's clear that what she said was very out of identify and publicly disrespectful to her king, and and then is not unworthy of some kind of penalization, within reason. Whether the slap is justified or not then becomes, in my view, not directly a matter of morality, simply of custom. I can't say that I find a custom wherein that's the penalisation for such an crime alien or unreasonable.

Thanks for the interesting question.

• #10

Cersei deserves a lot of things, a lot of terrible things, but she should not have been struck by Robert. Considering the time menstruation and the difference in their political and physical power Robert should have bars her to her chambers and denied access to annihilation just the necessities. Striking her just shows him to exist simple minded and a lesser human and then he already was.

• #11

I actually can't recollect how it went in the book, only in the testify Robert almost instantly regretted information technology, despite the justification for it. "I should not accept struck her; that was sick done."

Make of it what you lot volition.

• #12

She was actively telling him to kill Ned, his all-time friend, when he's trying to mediate the situation. He tells her to be tranquility, and to stop inflaming the situation and telling him to kill Ned, then she refused and starts insulting him.

If someone came upwards to me and started telling me to kill my friend and and so began insulting me, I'd certainly slap the shit out of whoever it was, and I'm not in an impressively unhappy political marriage.

No. She was telling him to punish Ned. There is a difference. She knows that killing Ned would be incredibly fucking stupid, which is why she pushes for an exile to the Wall after he actually commits treason. But the fact of the thing is that Catelyn fucked up badly, kidnapping Tyrion was exactly the wrong thing to practise, and Ned is on the hook for that because they're married and because he'southward there. At this point the solution would be as simple as tossing Ned into the dungeon and quietly arranging a hostage trade. It'south practical. Treating him similar an honored guest isn't practical.

• #13

She was actively telling him to kill Ned, his best friend, when he'south trying to mediate the situation. He tells her to be repose, and to stop inflaming the state of affairs and telling him to kill Ned, then she refused and starts insulting him.

If someone came upwardly to me and started telling me to kill my friend and then began insulting me, I'd certainly slap the shit out of whoever information technology was, and I'm not in an impressively unhappy political marriage.

Except that Robert could practise the incredibly hard thing that would actually solve the problem, which is to make Cersei leave. Why on Earth he idea it was a expert thought to permit her anywhere near that room is beyond me, especially since he can hardly claim that she doesn't have a good reason to be upset. Every bit far every bit he knows, she'southward aroused because Ned's wife decided to forcibly housebreak her blood brother.

Too, as the text upwards in a higher place shows, she never actually says 'kill him.' She says 'don't care for a fellow member of the family that abducted your brother in police as though he were a close friend, particularly since he simply insulted your sense of justice.' Cersei very definitely understands that having Ned killed would be stupid, even on a practical level, which is why she wanted him to exist forced to take the Black subsequently he denounces Joffrey as a non-Baratheon.

• #xiv

I actually tin't remember how it went in the volume, simply in the show Robert almost instantly regretted it, despite the justification for it. "I should not have struck her; that was sick washed."

Make of information technology what you will.

He likewise regrets it in the book.

• #xv

He also regrets it in the book.

Because he hit her on impulse after she did the medieval equivalent of calling him a pussy, I'thou not surprised.

• #16

The real injustice hither is that robert wasnt wearing a mailed glove

Shocker

The weed of Crime bears bitter fruit.

• #17

If information technology was anyone only Cersei...

• #18

Um, the unabridged point of the whole Sparrows affair is to call the idea that punishing Cersei indirectly is appropriate into question. She isn't being punished there or here for her actual evil deeds, just those deeds Westeros' misogynistic patriarchy thinks are evil (I.eastward talking back to her husband, outliving said hubby, sleeping with others than her husband).

Whether Cersei is a bad person or not, Robert is an calumniating spouse. Deserving had naught to do with why he hit her, he striking her considering she's a woman talking back to him.

It is entirely possible for Cersei to be a bad person AND a victim of misogyny and abuse. The idea that the latter is in any way a justification for the former is vile.

Terminal edited: May 16, 2016

• #19

Cersei had already done plenty of things that deserved more than a slap, like say incest. But in this point in time, for that reason, by that homo? No.

Robert's abuse did a lot to make her worse, as I think.

• #20

people (in-universe and out) actually effort hard to ignore what a scumbag Robert was.

not that that excuses any of the shit Rhaegar, Aerys, Littlefinger, Tywin, Varys, Joffrey, Cersei and Lyanna pulled/may have pulled; simply theres a decent chance things might take gone better (in the not-water ice zombie front at least) had Robert taken a drunken stumble out the moon door equally a kid

• #21

You do not strike your significant other. Period.

Well unless it's consensual and you're both into that kind of thing...

• #22

people (in-universe and out) really try hard to ignore what a scumbag Robert was.

non that that excuses whatsoever of the shit Rhaegar, Aerys, Littlefinger, Tywin, Varys, Joffrey, Cersei and Lyanna pulled/may accept pulled; merely theres a decent chance things might have gone better (in the non-water ice zombie forepart at least) had Robert taken a drunken stumble out the moon door every bit a kid

And so hard to take you serious when you put Lyanna upward adjacent to any of those shining examples. I don't even like Rhaegar and he doesn't compare he's just an idiot. The rest of these chuckle fucks are baby killing people burning clown shoes.

Littlefinger is a legit skin peddler who tortured a young girl into sexual submission to deliver her to a human to be raped by dogs.

• #23

Littlefinger is a legit skin peddler who tortured a immature girl into sexual submission to evangelize her to a man to be raped by dogs.

Look WHAT? I don't call back this.

• #24

Wait WHAT? I don't call back this.

From the Book.

Jeyne Puddle the all-time friend of Sansa and she and her male parent (Winterfell's Steward) went south with Ned to King'southward landing. When shit went down and her father killed along with virtually of the Stark Retinue she was spared but was promptly handed over to Little finger who it is implied so gave her the total prostitute training grade. She doesn't show support until the 3rd volume when she's passed off as Arya and is also mentally shattered to put of a resistance. She'due south and then married off to Ramsey and she'southward the i that has a meg and one horrible things washed to her and is the one whom Theon saves. Her running off is why Ramsey sends a alphabetic character to Snow threatening him, which convinces him to leave and relieve what he thinks is his sis and promptly gets murdered. So yeah makes Snow'southward death all the more tragic correct there. Getting murdered for planning to break his oath in the attempt to salve what he thinks is his sister but in actuality is a mentally broken fraud...oh and we larn in the snippets we've gotten that she loses role of her olfactory organ to frost bite in the snow while trying to proceed upwards with Stannis's army. Sansa never married Ramsey and she never left the Vale.

• #25

From the Book.

Jeyne Pool the best friend of Sansa and she and her begetter (Winterfell's Steward) went south with Ned to King'south landing. When shit went down and her father killed forth with well-nigh of the Stark Retinue she was spared but was promptly handed over to Little Finger who information technology is implied then gave her the total prostitute preparation course. She doesn't show back upwardly until the third volume when she'southward passed off as Arya and is too mentally shattered to put of a resistance. She's then married off to Ramsey and she's the one that has a million and ane horrible things done to her and is the 1 whom Theon saves. Her running off is why Ramsey sends a alphabetic character to Snow threatening him, which convinces him to go out and salvage what he thinks is his sister and promptly gets murdered. So yep makes Snow'southward death all the more than tragic right in that location. Getting murdered for planning to intermission his oath in the attempt to relieve what he thinks is his sister but in actuality is a mentally broken fraud...oh and nosotros learn in the snippets we've gotten that she loses office of her nose to frost bite in the snow while trying to keep upwards with Stannis'southward army. Sansa never married Ramsey and she never left the Vale.

Oh, I forgot about poor Jayne. I don't call back the raped past dogs part, though.

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